Wednesday, September 28, 2011


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If the US Government had sufficient concern about UFOs during the phenomenon’s early years, they most certainly would have quietly heard out the “Great Minds” of the time for their views on the subject.

A little-known tape of a famed broadcaster’s lecture that was delivered over sixty years ago suggests that is precisely what had happened. It also suggests that Albert Einstein was one of those brilliant scientists. In the tape, which can be heard below, we learn that Einstein and other science notables had expressed to President Truman their concern about the unknown objects, including those seen flying above our nation’s Capitol. The scientists beseeched Truman not to attempt to shoot down the UFOs.

Related information has surfaced that reveals that Einstein had maintained a long-standing and close relationship with a physicist who was a key member of a CIA UFO study group. The group that was organized in the same year as the mass UFO flights over the Capitol.

Finally, a little-known quote from Einstein has been found buried in a 1952 newspaper that hints at Einstein’s true thoughts on the visitors in our skies.


Broadcaster and Author Frank Edwards

Frank Edwards was an early radio pioneer. He began as a broadcaster in the 1920s on Pittsburgh’s KDKA, which was owned by the Westinghouse Electric Corporation. Edwards then hosted network news and opinion programs nationally for many years through the Mutual Broadcasting System. Edwards was also associated with the AFL/American Federation of Labor (who sponsored some of Edwards’ programming) and the Union’s famous president, George Meany. Edwards had become a familiar name in households across America. He was well connected to politicians inside and outside the Beltway and to prominent business people and high-level decision-makers from many walks of professional life. Edwards even appeared on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson in October of 1966 to relate some of his more interesting investigations into unexplained mysteries (which had later in his life become of strong interest to Edwards.) By then he had released seven books through major publishers including the Citadel Press. Some were category best-sellers including “Flying Saucers: Serious Business” and “Stranger than Science.”

In a lecture given to a Detroit audience in 1956, Edwards made statements about Einstein that he believed to be true based upon his sources and his understanding of historical circumstance. And these statements are nothing short of remarkable. Edwards maintained that just four years before, in 1952, Albert Einstein had delivered an urgent message to then President of the United States Harry Truman. Einstein was joined by other prominent scientists of the day in warning that Truman’s “shoot down” policy of UFOs over DC was unwise.

Some of Edwards lectures have thankfully been preserved by the historical research group Project 1947. My thanks also to researcher Grant Cameron (who specializes in study of US Presidents and UFOs) for his assistance. The several-minute segment of Edward’s 1956 lecture mentioning Einstein and UFOs can be heard here:

Frank Edwards 1956 Lecture Segment


Atomic Physicist Samuel Goudsmit

Born in the Hague, Holland in 1902, Sam Goudsmit obtained degrees in physics and moved to the US in 1927. But even as a student Goudsmit had achieved fame by proposing the model of the spinning electron and developing similar advanced concepts resulting in ten published papers. For nine years he helped to lead the physics department at the University of Michigan. A strong anti-Nazi, in 1941 he joined MIT’s Radiation Laboratory and helped to develop the short wavelength magnetron as well as fighter-based radar. In early 1945 Goudsmit received an unusual assignment from the US Government to go rapidly into European laboratories as they were being liberated to garner any information of scientific accomplishments from those labs (which had been taken over by the Nazis.) Goudsmit then became Chair of the Physics Department for Brookhaven National Laboratory. Still later Goudsmit helped lead the American Physical Society, retiring in 1974 and passing in 1978.

Einstein was very close to Goudsmit. Reading through correspondence between the two it is evident that they were close both professionally and personally, with Einstein taking on a very familiar tone when communicating with his physicist friend. There are many archives that reveal this, including a repository of correspondence between the two which can be found at the Niels Bohr Library of the American Institute of Physics. In Box 8, Folder 62 we see many letters written by Einstein to Samuel. These letters span the period of 1947-1954.

During much of this same time period, both also served as officials to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. Goudsmit was on the Board of Directors while Einstein was on its “Board of Sponsors.”

Curiously missing from nearly every Goudsmit biography is mention of his direct and active involvement in the study of UFOs. Goudsmit was called upon by H. Marshall Chadwell (the CIA’ s Director of Scientific Intelligence) to participate in the Agency’s 1952 “Robertson Panel” UFO study group (which was headed by Cal Tech’s H.P. Robertson.) The panel was charged with reviewing the available evidence on UFOs and to consider the potential danger that the phenomenon may pose to our national security.

The fact that Frank Edwards maintained that in 1952 Einstein and “other scientists” had warned Truman not to shoot at the UFOs coincides nicely with the directive and mission of the Robertson Panel (which convened in January of 1953) to determine if the phenomenon posed a military threat. It seems almost too “coincidental” for there not be some correlation.

Though the Robertson Panel supposedly had concluded that such sightings posed no threat or danger, this is not to be believed as the entire Robertson episode is cloaked in lies. In an interview in 1958 with Mike Wallace of CBS, Major Donald Keyhoe broadcast to the nation that the CIA had been involved in the study of UFOs five years earlier. Despite this, the CIA went into denial mode. The Assistant Director of the CIA’s OSI refused to declassify the Robertson report and declined to disclose CIA sponsorship of the panel.

Ultimately, a very sanitized version of the report which deleted reference to the agency and mention of warfare was released. This author spoke last year to Fred Durant (now well in to his 90s) who was the Secretary of the Robertson Panel. My conversation and emails with the scientist-spy Durant made it very clear that he was not being truthful or entirely open about the Panel and its findings, nor his personal knowledge about UFOs gained through his years in government service.

It has since been learned that Goudsmit was also very close to Dr. Linus Pauling. The two even co-authored a major work, “The Structure of Line Spectra.” This author has reported in articles (including “UFOs and Vitamin C: Linus Pauling’s Flying Saucer Secret”) that Pauling was a secret UFO researcher whose papers (marked “confidential”) and extensive library of books on the subject revealed intense interest in the subject.

Pauling corresponded with Dr. Stirling Colgate of NMIT and Los Alamos about the Socorro UFO sighting. And Pauling, it was discovered, also worked with Battelle in the early 1950s on “Intermetallics” - the basis for Roswell-like memory metal. Goudsmit had associations with UFO study - and with people engaged in UFO research - that are continuing to emerge.

He very likely had conversed privately with other contemporaries about the issue. It is in fact inconceivable that he did not. Though I have not yet found any correspondence between Goudsmit and Einstein relative to UFOs, it is very difficult to believe that the issue was never brought up. Not only was the nature of Goudsmit and Einstein’s dialog far-ranging, and not only did Goudsmit have regular dialog with Einstein during the time that Goudsmit was known to be studying UFOs, but others on the Robertson Panel (including physicist Lloyd Berkner) were either professionally or personally known to Einstein. There were several physicists on the Panel. To think that the world’s greatest did not know what his friends were doing strains credulity.


Only once is it known for certain that Albert Einstein spoke directly about UFOs. In the St. Louis Post Dispatch, AP Item, 7/30/52 it is reported that Einstein wrote evangelist Louis Gardner (in reply to Gardner’s query about UFOs):

“These people have seen something. What it is I do not know and I am not curious to know.”

The article in which this quote appears can be seen here (thanks and credit to researcher David Rudiak):

St. Louis Post Dispatch Article

The year of this Einstein quote (1952) is more than interesting. It is the same year that the Robertson Panel (on which Einstein’s associate Goudsmit served) was planned. It was also the same year that mass UFO sightings were occurring with frequency over DC. And it was the same year that Frank Edwards maintained Einstein had warned the President about attacking the saucers.

What is more interesting about the Einstein quote is what is not said. Though Einstein admits that there is reality to the phenomena (“These people are seeing something”) he says that he does not want to know just what it is that the people are seeing. This is of course disingenuous of Einstein. Since when does science shy away from encouraging finding solutions to mysteries? Einstein’s own friend and associate Goudsmit certainly was interested in the phenomena during that same time period Einstein was writing Gardner about it! It sounds more like Einstein simply does not wish to engage someone outside of his circle on this obviously sensitive matter.

Another interpretation is that Einstein really did not want to know because he was afraid to know. And this makes sense. If what Edwards says is true, Einstein feared the phenomenon. But what he feared more was us. Einstein feared our potential for a war-like reaction to the continued flyovers of craft that were piloted by beings that were not from here and that were unknown to science.


  1. Tony, Goudsmit was pathologically, foamingly "anti-UFO" when he was on the Robertson Panel and afterward. Even Robertson was shocked at how biased and unscientific Goudsmit was and kept trying to rein him in. (This according to Wendy Conner's history on the Robertson Panel.)

    I also read a letter of response to a UFO query Goudsmit wrote afterward where he berated the inquirer in extremely obnoxious and foul language. (I can't remember the details. I think Grant Cameron sent it to me and it's in my files somewhere. But I do remember being shocked at how positively unhinged Goudsmit sounded. This was not the stereotype of the calm, pipe-smoking academic in tweed jacket. Instead, he behaved like a crazy man.)

    Given Goudsmit's rabid anti-UFO views, he and Einstein being good friends does not by itself mean Einstein was involved in UFO studies, though I wouldn't be surprised.

    As for the rumor Einstein urged Truman to rescind the "shoot-down order" in July 1952, I currently don't know of any documentation for this, though I know Brad Steiger wrote that Einstein had done so contacted Truman. Grant Cameron did check the Truman libary and found some telegrams urging Truman to cancel the order, including from Robert Farnsworth, President of the American Rocketry Society. But he found nothing from Einstein. Some of these telegrams can be viewed at my website:

    The link to the 1952 Einstein quote in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch is:

    And some of the INS articles confirming the shoot-down order being in effect:

  2. Yes the Truman library is the place to look, if a letter from Einstein to Truman exists (which I seriously doubt).

    Frank Edwards probably picked up on some rumors but decided to 'reveal' them only after Einstein's death. That Einstein had an interest in UFOs is of course entirely possible.

    If Goudsmit was so vehemently anti-UFO, why was he chosen to be on the Robertson committee? Who chose him? In such matters, impartiality is essential when selecting who is to serve on committees.

  3. According to Grant Cameron, the Truman Library had nothing written from Einstein to Truman concerning the July 1952 shoot-down order. Because of the obvious urgency of the situation, anything written would like have been by telegram, not in a letter.

    I don't know if the White House phone logs have been scrutinized at all, which might hold out some slim hope that maybe Einstein picked up the phone and called Truman.

    I have looked over the phone logs at the time of Roswell, and skeptics will be pleased there is no obvious evidence in these of urgent phone calls to or from Truman about Roswell or flying saucers in general. On the other hand, not all phone calls will necessarily be listed in the public phone records. Highly sensitive ones might not be.

    Concerning the shoot-down order, George Filer's latest "Filer's Files" has more on this, including a newspaper article indicating the Navy was also on a shoot-down alert, along with the Air Force.

    [The Fullerton News-Tribune, CA July 26, 1956... "The United States Navy will not publicly admit that it believes in flying saucers, but it has officially ordered combat-ready pilots to 'shoot to kill' if saucers are encountered, OCNS [Orange County News Service] has learned. The information was first learned when Navy pilots navigating trans-Pacific routes from the United States to Hawaii were ordered in a briefing session to engage and identify ' any unidentified flying objects.' If the UFOs (saucers) appeared hostile the briefing officer told the pilots of Los Alamitos Naval Air Station reserve squadron VP 771, they are to be engaged in combat... It was found that the orders are not unusual."}

    My website also has a newspaper column from the LA Times indicating the Army was involved too, the columnist indicating that the nation's major airports and cities had Army anti-aircraft batteries placed around them. Some of this might be considered anti-Soviet paranoia during the Korean War, but the columnist (Bill Henry) associated them with the flying saucer scare going on at the time. Henry also compared them to the wartime "Battle of LA" event. See:

  4. Thanks David. I will save myself the effort to look in Truman's library for it. Phone calls and telegrams may not be archived as well as letters and documents.

    I would like to take this opportunity for anyone reading this to visit David's website. It is a tremendous resource that I consult regularly.


  5. Hi David-

    Thanks for saving me the effort at digging into Truman's library for it. And yes, phone calls and telegrams may not be as well archived as letters and documents.

    I encourage anyone who is reading this to visit David's website. It is a tremendous resource that is very comprehensive. I consult it regularly and continue to find amazing things. Mr. Rudiak has gone further than just about any other researcher in documenting the Roswell crash incident through news articles and other information that I have seen no where else.

    Anthony Bragalia

  6. a preamble:
    “Now it is quite clear to me that there are no solid spheres in the heavens, and those that have been devised by the authors to save the appearances, exist only in the imagination.”
    — Tycho Brahe

    having dropped that quote....
    i enjoy reading about UFO's. lots of world class science fiction. yup, science fiction. i think there is a large gray area to the UFO scene. DUMBs, MIBs, mothman, worm holes, time travel, higher dimensions, reptilians, abductions,
    memory metal, the denver airport, all way cool stuff.

    but...i aint ever seen a UFO. of course i have seen dots of lights in the night sky chasing each other. but what is a dot of light?
    even with 20 power binoculars the dots were still dots.

    a hobby, using L3 (low light level) video i hunt for fireballs and meteors. i do this to sound respectable. in reality i hunt for UFO's. a light that makes a 90 degree turn, a light that travels at apparent high speed, stops and starts again. a light that just appears or disappears.

    did i mention i have hours and hours of mpeg2 videos of the night sky? too much for me to review quickly. usual disgusting plea for interested parties to help "co-discover" what is on all that video.

    a great quantity, amount, measure or degree of textual rehash of old news and rumors plagues the UFO field of study. let us not forget the CGI or blurry video/stills that clog internet bandwidth. i got data. it needs reducing. oh! and more to come.

    with A.B's permission email me:
    pabtiu "at" hotmail "dot" com for terms and conditions.

    one more quote..."Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them." A.E.


  7. It seems Pauling may very well have been asked to join the Condon Committee investigation as his outline for a UFO study seems to correspond with the timeline of the Condon effort and I've seen interviews with Pauling where he refers to Condon as "Ed" which indicates to me they had at least a passing friendly relationship.

  8. Frank-

    I had no idea that Pauling knew Condon, or that he was close enough to him to refer to him as "Ed." This is very interesting.

    For those reading this, Google "UFO Partisan" to be taken to Frank's website where he discusses Truman and the UFO events of 1952 in great detail.

    Anthony Bragalia

  9. Yup, I found the video. I've become quite a Pauling buff thanks to you and came across this awhile back. I couldn't remember the details but they are significant. Condon helped Pauling write a petition calling for the banning of atmospheric nuclear weapons testing, so the collaboration was significant! You'll find it at the 17:00 mark.

  10. DR:
    "I have looked over the phone logs at the time of Roswell, and skeptics will be pleased there is no obvious evidence in these of urgent phone calls to or from Truman about Roswell or flying saucers in general. On the other hand, not all phone calls will necessarily be listed in the public phone records. Highly sensitive ones might not be."

    Ah, but you have not heard the contents of these calls. Even if you had, these would have been carefully redacted to cut out all the crucial ET evidence. As would any telecons between those 'in the know' at the time. A great pity but.....

  11. CDA:

    "If Goudsmit was so vehemently anti-UFO, why was he chosen to be on the Robertson committee?"

    The Robertson committee was formed to debunk the whole topic of flying saucers.

  12. It is pure speculation but AJB's article prompts the question:

    Had Einstein been asked to serve on the Robertson Committee, would he have done so?

    I assume he would not, because it would look wrong for him to serve on such a committee unless he was chairman. Can anyone envisage an 'Einstein Committee' investigating UFOs? There is also the matter of his interest, if he had any, in UFOs. Presumably he was a good deal less partial than was Goudsmit, although unless some written records/letters turn up we can never say for certain.

  13. I finally got around to listening to Frank Edward's speech to the Detroit Flying Saucer club in 1956, when he mentions Einstein contacting Truman about the shoot-down order and telling him to call it off. (From Wendy Connors and her Faded Discs collection of old recordings.) Too bad Edwards didn't mention his sources, for as I noted before, Grant Cameron couldn't find anything to document this when he visited the Truman Libary and talked to the archivists. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    As do cda about Einstein heading up some flying saucer scientific research panel, pure theoretical physicists like Einstein would generally make poor choices to head up such panels. The A-bomb may be based on E=mc^2 and Einstein did write a letter to Roosevelt urging him to start a research program to build the bomb, but other than that the A-bomb was more of a big money and big engineering program. Einstein had little or nothing more to do with the building of the bomb.

    Edwards in his talk also mentioned German rocketry pioneer Hermann Oberth heading up a West German saucer research program and then coming out afterward and saying publicly that they concluded they were ET. Oberth, a physicist and aeronautical engineer, would be the better choice to head up such a research project--a bit more practical and experienced in things flying around in our atmosphere than someone like Einstein.

    Other than Oberth making a number of public statements afterward that he thought the saucers were ET, I haven't been able to find any details on that West German study, that supposedly took place between 1951 and 1954, thus overlapping with the 1953 debunking Robertson Panel.

    Edwards also mentions a TV debate he and Donald Keyhoe had with German-American rocket scientist and UFO debunker Willy Ley who worked with the German rocketry pioneers going clear back to the 1920s. (He even co-wrote a book with Werner von Braun in 1953). Ley was giving them a hard time, but Edwards said he had a signed letter from half a dozen very prominent scientists expressing the opinion that UFOs were ET in origin. He used this in the middle of the debate to silence Ley.

    Edwards didn't mention who these scientists were, but I suspect one of them would have been Oberth. Another might have been German rocket scientist Walter Riedel, who publicly stated in a LIFE magazine article in 1952 he thought UFOs were ET. Edwards flashing prominent names like that, men who Ley knew personally and had earlier worked with, would explain why he shut up. He couldn't say such people were gullible nutcases.

  14. It's funny how people can be so smart in one intellectual area, and so limited in others. IF Einstein really said all this then he isn't very smart; because an initial attack against any vanguard or scouting force is usually taken as a matter of course, and if it was successful it's doubtful the aliens would have lost highly important equipment or personnel. If however, they did and/or the attacks were very successful then it might force the aliens to limit their activity on Earth which would only be beneficial to us. If I were Truman I would order two fold attacks: to see if an attack could succeed, and to capture an alien craft for analysis.

    You see this a lot in military history, most physicist and engineers make poor tacticians and usually their comments shouldn't be taken seriously.